AI can now produce more documents, emails, reports and content than ever before. But more output does not automatically mean more value. In this episode, Yanesh sits down with Evan Schwartz, Chief Innovation Officer at AMCS Group, to explore one of the biggest shifts happening in business today: the move from output-based thinking to outcome-based thinking. They dig into why AI is driving the value of output toward zero, what factories can teach us about the future of work, and why digital transformation projects fall apart when leaders skip past the people doing the actual work. Evan also shares his journey from teenage game developer to enterprise technology leader, why businesses need to own their own transformation journey, and how sustainability and profitability can go hand in hand. If you are navigating AI adoption or digital transformation in your business, this conversation is well worth your time.